Breaking TDSAT orders BECIL to hold commerical and technical audit of Tata Sky's system qua Sony's channel

[dino29]

Tata Sky is ready to give old rate i.e. 800cr which is not correct. Their subscribers & Sony's channels has increased so they should give at least 1000 - 1100 crores. Sony is right at it's place. TS is getting too much from customers & they should share it with the broadcasters.

Why is 1700 crore not fair bro? Look at the increase in number of sony channels & 60 % jump in Tata Sky subscriber base + compare pack prices of Tata Sky in July 2015 & now. If Tata Sky had no problem to pay Rs. 800 crore at that point then what's the problem now? Additionally hasn't everything become costly too in this period so inflation will also be counted in. I see no problem if they r demanding a 100 % raise. Tata Sky is resisting this bcoz they fear competition from Jio & OTT , all the premium and urban audience will start jumping the boat and their ARPU will sink. They want to save the money as buffer to reduce loses in the foreseen future. This is the real reason which unfortunately regular people will not understand. Simply blaming or protesting is easy thing but understanding the crux is time consuming & requires patience which is scarce these days. Please guys, let's not fall for rhetoric & support right thing based on merit

 

[Nikhil3]

Bros I think if TataSky charging the most and Sony is demanding that much hick and then TS increases the subscription money. Then all the sony channels should be advertising free for we ts users as we pay the highest amount to SPN and not to other dths as they are not paying that much high subscription amount.

Hope and pray for having new deal between them...

 

[Nikhil3]

Why is 1700 crore not fair bro? Look at the increase in number of sony channels & 60 % jump in Tata Sky subscriber base + compare pack prices of Tata Sky in July 2015 & now. If Tata Sky had no problem to pay Rs. 800 crore at that point then what's the problem now. Additionally hasn't everything become costly too in this period so inflation will also be counted in. I see no problem if they r demanding a 100 % raise. Tata Sky is resisting this bcoz they fear competition from Jio & OTT , all the premium and urban audience will start jumping the boat and their ARPU will sink. They want to save the money as buffer to reduce loses in the foreseen future. This is the real reason which unfortunately regular people will not understand. Simply blaming or protesting is easy thing but understanding the crux is time consuming & requires patience which is scarce these days. Please guys, let's not fall for rhetoric & support right thing based on merit

They should have fear about all this factors. But sony want to reduce the amount. And ts should pay the reduced amount to sony both 800cr and 1700cr is not correct amount from both sides.

 

[Choco7905]

Giving 1700cr will surely increase tatasky pack prices

Then that's Tata Sky fault that they don't want to decrease their profit. They are already taking too much from their customers in comparison with others & paying the least to broadcasters in comparison with others. Sony is only asking for it's right.
If Tata Sky or any other DTHs add new channels in their basepacks/topups then they increase the price stating that we have increased the channels. priceSo, if Sony is asking extra money for the same thing from TS then what's wrong in this? Moreover, TS profit has also increased too much so a price hike from Sony is reasonable.
The only thing is that Tata Sky don't want to decrease it's profit. If they will agree Sony's T&C's then definitely they will increase the basepacks price to compensate the loss in profit.

 

[Nikhil3]

Then that's Tata Sky fault that they don't want to decrease their profit. They are already taking too much from their customers in comparison with others & paying the least to broadcasters in comparison with others. Sony is only asking for it's right.
If Tata Sky or any other DTHs add new channels in their basepacks/topups then they increase the price stating that we have increased the price. So, if Sony is asking extra money for the same thing from TS then what's wrong in this? Moreover, TS profit has also increased too much so a price hike from Sony is reasonable.

Then tdsat does not mention that. If sony has any valid points they want to prove it in tdsat. Don,t blame ts for all. If sony is right here tdsat should have stay with them...

 

[Choco7905]

Why is 1700 crore not fair bro? Look at the increase in number of sony channels & 60 % jump in Tata Sky subscriber base + compare pack prices of Tata Sky in July 2015 & now. If Tata Sky had no problem to pay Rs. 800 crore at that point then what's the problem now? Additionally hasn't everything become costly too in this period so inflation will also be counted in. I see no problem if they r demanding a 100 % raise.

I know bro. Sony is absolutely right at it's place but TS will never pay 1700cr because all the profits that they have earned in last 3 years from extra SPN channels & other sources will be spent in making new deal which TS will never want. Moreover, saying that TS should give 1700cr to SPN will do nothing here infact it will lead to useless conversations.

 

[Basil]

Then tdsat does not mention that. If sony has any valid points they want to prove it in tdsat. Don,t blame ts for all. If sony is right here tdsat should have stay with them...

Sony went to TDSAT to get their dropped channels back on Tata Sky.TDSAT ruled on this issue only.They made it clear Tata Sky can select the amount of channels it wants under RIO deal.

TDSAT tells parties to enter into mutually agreed deal or RIO deal.They don't intervene in terms of the deals (Money part).

 

[sakthi_ums]

In the period between 2015 to 2018 Sony's channel bouquet grew from 13 to 32 which includes many HD channels too & Tata Sky's subscriber base grew from 10 million to 16 million so how is asking for a substantial increase in fixed deal agreement amount wrong on part of broadcaster? Have u all forgotten the fact that Tata Sky increased the pack prices on a periodic basis and told us that it's due to addition of new channels so isn't it right to give a proportionate raise in revenue share to broadcasters ? Tata Sky charges are highest in the industry , if they don't want to pay more to broadcasters then they should reduce pack prices for us too but just making us pay more to increase profit is not acceptable atleast to me. Sony's demand of increase in agreement amount from Rs. 800 to 1700 crore is not that steep considering all these factors. If "market forces" affect input costs for the operator then broadcaster is not untouched by this as they are governed by same policies. Sony surely lost IPL but they have invested in getting rights of many other costly sports properties, look at the wide range of events they show on their network unlike Star Sports which charges hefty amount to show cricket highlights across channels. If u r not supporting Sony on this then i am afraid u r unknowingly promoting unfair practice. If u r supporting Tata Sky here then please ask them to provide HD+ STB to us at same price that of HD STB, if they agree then i will stand by ur side unconditionally.

Remember Sony has not increased prices pf channels, TRAI rules don't permit the same . Fact is no. of channels run by them + no. of subscribers & prices of Tata Sky have increased hence Sony is requesting for equal raise in fixed deal amount. Please don't fall for statements made to public, go into facts and decide who's stand is logical

Agree that TataSky subscriber base have grown. But do we know how many of them are using higher cost packages? TataSky's recent growth has come from the regional & rural subscribers. They have introduced cost effective packs like Thalaiva, Kayika Sadhya and similar packs focusing on particular region and these packs are not very costly and they have contributed to TataSky's Growth.

 

[TheFearLess]

As the exact figures are out now, so lets find out who is real culprit. Sony, Tata Sky or Both. Lets not jump the gun by just looking at amounts. Lets be fair and do a little math.

3 Years Back - 800 Crore, 10 Million Subscribers, 14 Channels

Now - 1700 Crore, 16 Million Subscribers, 32 Channels

Lets 1st Evaluate Sony's Statement, that they have not increased channel prices.

So According to previous contract - 800 crore for 10 Million Customers = 800 Per Subscriber

New Contract - 1700 Crore for 16 Million Customers = 1063 Per Subscriber

Cost per channel,

Previous Contract = 800/14=57.14 Per Channel Per Customer
New Contract = 1063/32=33.22 Per Channel Per Customer


So its obvious Sony is not lying, if you see cost per channels is lesser by around Rs. 25 per channel per subscriber. That's takes all IPL and others factors

Now lets Evaluate Tata Sky's Statement - "what they were seeking would have forced us to hike our prices"

So according to new contract (what's Sony asking) = 1700 Crore for 16 Million Customers = 1063 Per Subscriber

It Comes down to 1063 Per Subscriber, Now the contract is for 36 months, so eventually they will be paying

1063/36=29.53 per month per subscriber for 32 Channels = 99 paisa per channel

So Tata Sky is lying here, sony is asking Rs. 29.53 per month per user for all 32 channels , and Tata Sky is charging twice the amount of this for its one use less active service. Also if you want to subscribe to Ten 1 only as ala-carte, Tata Sky is charging Rs. 60.

 

[Deep.S]

Sony is not done good. they always tells that We have not Increased Prices of it's Channels since years. undefinedundefinedSony is lie.