@Vadirocks bro,
Any luck ? Did u get an update from sun dth team.
It will help us to plan long term recharge before nto 2.0 implementation.
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Any luck ? Did u get an update from sun dth team.
It will help us to plan long term recharge before nto 2.0 implementation.
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Siva anna u r a senior team member of DDF & i respect ur experience and knowledge but anna as i have stated u r wrong on this matter.
1stly as i have said compare prices of bindass, Star Gold Select HD, Star Gold Select Super Hungama, Star Sports 3 Disney Junior and few other channels across Tata Play, Airtel Digital TV and Sun Direct Platform.... U will notice difference as each is currently having agreement for separate NTO 1.0 RIO of disney-star .
Also notice that UTV Movies, UTV Action, UTV HD r still not part of Star Hindi Value SD / HD bouquet available on Tata Play platform but these channels are part of Star Value Prime Hindi SD /HD bouquet on Airtel Digital TV Platform. Both these bouquets r same but Airtel One is part of updated 2020 NTO 1.0 RIO of Disney-Star while Tata Play still having bouquets which part of NTO 1.0 RIO which was released by disney star in 2018.
Also Star English Premium SD and HD cost approx Rs. 23 and Rs. 41 on Tata Play platform but on Airtel Digital TV the revised version of this bouquet is called Star English Mini SD / HD and costs approx Rs. 15 and Rs 30 respectively.
If u and others still are unwilling to admit the ground reality then it is upto u.
Coming to the bouquet discount cap , u made one big mistake while calculating discount as u tried to apply 33% on total price of bouquet which includes 18% GST hence came to wrong conclusion of Total Bouquet discount being 34 or 35%. Please note there is no discount applicable on taxes in any scenario unless there is such rule made by government.
In order to calculate the correct discount, here is the right process
Tata Play Star Hindi Value SD pack
Star Plus - Rs. 19
Star Bharat - Rs. 10
Bindass - Rs. 1
Star Utsav - Re. 1
Star Gold - Rs. 8
Star Gold 2 - Rs. 1
Star Utsav Movies - Rs. 1
Star sports 2 - Rs. 6
Star Sports 1 Hindi - Rs. 19
Star Sports First - Re. 1
Star Sports 3 - Rs. 4
Nat Geo - Rs. 2
Nat Geo Wild - Re. 1
Total sum of a-la-carte prices comes to Rs. 74 and bouquet price is Rs. 49.29 and when u add 18% GST it becomes Rs. 57.82
Basically the 1st twin condition is applicable which states that sum of a-la-carte prices of channels included in a bouquet cannot be more than one and half times the price of concerned bouquet. This indirectly means around 33.33 cap on bouquet price which when rounded off is called 33% capping.
You can do such calculations for each broadcaster bouquet which is currently in use.
I very well know the timeline of bouquets / RIO which have been released by broadcasters and all NTO 1.0 RIO which r currently in use and r abiding by 1st twin condition. There is no confusion. Star India released a non compliant RIO in Jan 2020 post Madras High Court judgement of striking down 15% discount cap on bouquet prices, post that TRAI brought an amendment to TRAI rules which has the twin conditions...2nd twin condition of "a-la-carte price of any channel included in a bouquet cannot be more than 3 times average price of channels included in a bouquet " was struck down by court but 1st twin condition remained applicable and broadcasters were made to comply by the same by TRAI.
Later on TRAI brought NTO 2.0 regulations too and operators implemented the same which is how we got the change of 2 fixed NCF slabs - Rs. 153 for upto 200 channels and Rs. 175 for over 200 channels and for multi tv NCF slabs were set at Rs. 61 for upto 200 channels and Rs. 75 for over 200 channels. Broadcasters did not implement NTO 2.0 RIO/ rules as case was being heard in Supreme Court which had ordered status quo until final judgment hence though after Mumbai High Court partially upheld NTO 2.0 rules (barring few things like 2nd twin condition getting struck down) TRAI had directed broadcasters to come out with NTO 2.0 RIO (which u referred in ur above post ) and it was published in end of 2021 where broadcasters increased prices of several channels and kept them out of bouquets but these RIO never got implemented .
I never always think that i am right but where i know and very sure about the fact i state then i stand by it. This is bcoz i do lot research, analysis and put in lot hard work + time to understand each matter in great detail. It is not like i make some random statements out of nowhere. If at any time i make a mistake then i have no hesitation to apologise without even anyone telling me about the same.
I am not spreading any misinformation in any thread, if some members r alleging same without understanding the true facts despite me trying hard to explain the same in detail then sorry anna but i do not need to correct myself but they all need to do the same. I am rather helping to clear confusion and state the ground reality as it stands. If i am posting correct information then i am not in the wrong , i request all to infact not make derogatory remarks against me for no reason.
I have proven with numbers and all dats that information posted by me is factually accurate
Quite the reverse is true, airtel digital tv is providing great service and discounts to all segments of subscribers.
Current NTO is implemented without any discount cap. 15% discount rule is not implemented. No further amendment has come into force till now.
This bouquet is available to me. You can google prices and calculate discount.
You can urself do this simple calculation. This bouquet is also complying with 1st twin condition rule
Bro! Ok I'll Come To Your Point,
NTO Regime Is Same, Irrespective Of Amended RIO Or Non-Amennded RIO,
Where Broadcasters Had No Capping On Discount
And This One Not Implemented Why To Talk About That??
trai: TRAI lowers cap on MRP of individual channels - The Economic Times
TRAI has reduced the cap on the MRP of individual channels to Rs 12 per month, from Rs 19.www.google.com
Anna i know NTO regime is same but amendments have been made in certain rules. NTO 1.0 amended regulations are currently in practice and NTO 2.0 rules will be implemented next year by broadcasters
Buddy, there is no reason for me to step back and i am pursuing the matter as j am fully sure of the information i am stating. It is not about various members putting their arguments but accepting what is right. Why unnecessarily i am being being forced to admit that i am wrong even though i am stating the truth? This is not right
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What's Amended NTO 1.0 Rules??
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Bro! Conclude Your Arguments On Few Points,
I Mean, Whats Your Points Or Findings
I Can't Understand This Biggggg Essay,,,
IBF president wants no regulatory rules to be there for the broadcasting sector. From his interview he accepted that the bouquet prices have been increased after the amendment. If the bouquet discount had gone up from 33% to 45%, the bouquet prices should have decreased. The reality is that there was no cap before, so the bouquets were cheap (50-60% discount on some of them), and now there is a cap, and the bouquets that had more than 45% discount before, have become costlier. See the below.
But with amendments to the NTO, will prices increase again, resulting in pay TV subscribers moving to OTT or FTA?
We will wait and watch. We will be conscious of not charging much. We increased our bouquet prices by a single digit. We had not increased prices in the last three years. Looking at inflation, IBDF has advised its members not to increase more than 7-8%.
‘Broadcasting needs pricing forbearance’
There are new issues, including OTT content regulations under the draft Telecom Bill. There is no clarity, Madhavan saidwww.livemint.com
Again anna i request to properly decode information.
Earlier as 1st twin condition was inplace which mandated that broadcasters can only provide around 33.33% discount on bouquet prices hence if broadcasters wanted to increase bouquet price then they would have to increase a-la-carte price of some channels to comply with the bouquet discount rule hence it would not have served the purpose of discouraging people from opting for standalone channels & opt for bouquet rather increase in both would have caused further issue.
Now as bouquet discount cap has been increased to 45% so broadcasters have good increase in a-la-carte price of certain channels and have raise bouquet price by little bit thus getting benefit to widen gap between standalone price of channels and when these r available in bouquet thus attracting people to opt for bouquet.
Going by ur logic that there was bo bouquet discount cap applicable until now then broadcasters would have long back in 2019-2020 come out with RIO which had super inflated a-la-carte price of channels and heavily discounted bouquet much like we got in Pre NTO days when in reality there was no capping of bouquet pricing. Under amended NTO rules this was not allowed,afte 15% bouquet discount cap was struck down by Madras High Court TRAI imposed the twin conditions in NTO rules and same were implemented which r in effect right now too
Anna this requires detailed , long explanation hence i cannot summarise it in less words. There r various points which need to looked into and analysed to understand the whole thing properly. It is not as simple as many members r making it to be
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@Siva Bro! Still I Can't Understand What He Is Meant To Say??
If He Is Saying There Was 33% Cap On NTO 1.0??
If Yes, Provide Documented Proof
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You very conveniently ignored that I have given the discount numbers for both the scenarios. Because it suits your long theories. Also, why are you showing Tata Play pricing? You need to show Airtel bouquets which is the latest one according to you. That's what we are using for comparison. Airtel's bouquet includes several channels that are not part of what you posted. The total al-a-carte pricing comes to 75.1 not 74. That 1 rupee makes the difference here. So don't ignore as per your convenience.
You can continue to think what is right in your head. But none of the forum members are going to follow what you say as you are wrong with your numbers.
Post Bombay High Court judgment 1st twin condition was made part of NTO rules and on directions of TRAI RIO published by all broadcasters in 2020 complied to the same.
Star India published a RIO in Jan 2020 which did not adhere to 1st twin condition and TRAI did not allow same to be implemented in Feb 2020.
There were 3 or 4 NTO compliant RIO brought in by Disney-Star. Tata Play is still continuing with 1st version, Airtel Digital TV signed on to 2nd version while Sun Direct signed to latest 3rd amended NTO 1.0 RIO hence u will see differences in pricing of few a-la-carte channels as well as composition of some bouquets of disney star across these 3 platforms .
Later on honourable Supreme Court ordered status quo and since Feb 2022 was broadcasters took back their plea from court and started consultation process with TRAI and hence these RIO continue to b applicable right now
