Breaking NTO 2.0 To Be Implemented From 1st February 2023

[Siva]

As i have stated that various broadcasters brought in their NTO 1.0 RIO at different points of time and they adhered to rules as prevalent during that time or complied with bouquet discount capping rule to be on the safer side and avoid any issues. If you can quote broadcasters like Turner India which have not implemented bouquet discount cap rule then i can state various other examples of current RIO of broadcasters which comply with this rule. Already i gave u the example of Star Hindi Value SD pack which is currently available on Tata Play, even the revised Star Value Prime SD available on Airtel Digital TV is compliant to this rule.

What you are saying is quite illogical. It's up to the broadcaster to decide how much discount they want to give on their packs. There is no minimum or maximum ceiling. So it's obvious that the discount will vary from various percentages, and you can find bouquets with discounts in various percentages. However, there should be NO bouquet exceeding 33% discount cap from these broadcasters that are complying with the rules as you are assuming. Let's say Star India is complying with the twin conditions, then none of the bouquets from Star India should provide more than 33% discount. But this is not the case, there are various bouquets from Star India wherein they provide more than 33% discount. You still did NOT give the detailed pricing from Airtel Digital TV for SVP SD bouquet, as it is not compliant with the 33% rule. If you post it, you will be proven wrong, hence you are saying this ONLY in words but not with screenshots or data. The NTO 1.0 does NOT have any twin conditions in place, it's only in NTO 2.0 that the twin conditions are in place. You are complicating things unnecessarily for the other members, even when I'm trying to simplify for them.

If suppose a broadcaster brought its RIO after Madras High Court had struck down 15% bouquet discount cap rule and before Jan 2020 when TRAI mandated that twin conditions should be adhered to in New RIO then it is likely that such bouquet will not have bouquet discount cap rule applicable and they were not violating any rule as applicable during tbis period. Within this period some broadcasters voluntarily applied the bouquet discount cap rule to avoid unnecessary issues which may arise if they decided to give it a miss. TRAI on its part maintained status quo & did not take much coercive action, earlier on its own will to give more time to broadcasters and later based on orders of court or just bcoz case was subjudice.

Like I said, only the broadcasters with less reach such as Jaya and IN10 complied with the NTO 2.0 and published the RIO. None of the other broadcasters complied with it. The status quo being maintained was from NTO 1.0, that is without any discount cap and MRP cap of 19 for a channel to be placed in a bouquet. Major broadcasters like Star, Zee, Sony, Viacom never implemented the twin conditions till date. If they did, you would have seen an increase in bouquet prices, which didn't happen. Even the IBF president confirmed that there had been no price increase in the last 3 years and only now they are increasing the prices in single digit for the bouquets.

From Jan 1 2020 when TRAI mandated to broadcasters that if they publish New RIO then same should be compliant with the twin conditions, if broadcasters tried to publish RIO which were non compliant to these rules then TRAI did not allow for implementation of such RIO. I gave u the example in above posts that RIO published by Disney Star in beginning of Jan did not comply with bouquet discount cap and 2nd twin condition hence TRAI advised Disney Star to maintain status quo (continue with old prevalent RIO) and did not allow them to implement New RIO from Feb 2020.

The status quo being maintained was from NTO 1.0, that is without any discount cap and MRP cap of 19 for a channel to be placed in a bouquet. There was no other status quo. Even now, the same status quo is being maintained.

Post March 2020 if broadcasters have come up with New RIO or amended old pre 2020 RIO then all of them have been complaint with initially both the twin conditions and later in some of them 2nd twin condition was dropped and status quo maintained as case was filed in Bombay High Court and hearing on the twin conditions and NTO 2.0 went on. Later until now status quo has been maintained bcoz of various round of litigations and orders of respective High Court, Supreme Court as well as recent round of consultations which started from Feb 2022 when broadcasters withdrew their plea in Supreme Court

Again, WRONG timeline. 2nd twin condition was dropped by the Mumbai HC in Jun 2021 and the compliant RIOs were released in Oct 2021 and after. Till the Mumbai HC judgement was pronounced, NONE of the major broadcasters complied with the NTO 2.0 rules i.e. twin conditions. Status quo, even now is NTO 1.0 without any discount cap, hence you can see huge discounts from ALL the broadcasters on the Airtel Digital TV platform.

Lastly coming to the bouquet price being less on currently in effect RIO, this is again bcoz of 2 reasons....broadcasters like Turner India have RIO which doea not comply with bouquet discount cap rule and have kept a-la-carte prices of channels high while giving heavy discount on bouquet prices while others like Disney Star have complied with bouquet discount cap rule and they kept bouquet prices lower as if they decided to increase the same then they would have raise a-la-carte prices by some margin to comply with the rules..... As such almost all broadcasters have maintained status quo and many kept new channel launches on hold bcoz of inability to make changes in current RIO as per their liking while few others have launched new channels but these r not part of existing RIO and made available on platforms by paying carriage....There r few broadcasters which have launched new channels and included them in revised RIO/bouquet which complies with twin conditions.

Star India never complied with the discount cap rule till date. Even now, on Airtel Digital TV platform, there are various bouquets from Star India with more than 40% discount as well. For instance, SPP Hindi with 22 channels has a discount of 47% on Airtel Digital TV platform. You can calculate it. It has the Sum Of al-a-carte channels at 148.1 rupees and the bouquet price is 79. And you can take your favorite bouquet SVP Hindi as well, which has 35% discount, not 33%. If a broadcaster is complying with the twin conditions, this is NOT feasible. They should NOT have a single bouquet that is exceeding the twin condition rules. One broadcaster can't have two types of RIOs in place, some complying NTO 1.0 and some complying NTO 2.0.

If there was no bouquet discount cap in place then disney star or others would have long back decided to keep standalone channel prices quite high while offering bouquets at heavy discount. Infact had disney star come up with such a RIO in end of 2019 then same would have continued until now but as they voluntary decided to comply bouquet discount cap rule in the RIO which was published in 2019 and later did minor changes to it in 2020 to comply with twin conditions hence same continues until now. In this period of 2 or 3 years they were not able to make major changes in pricing or bouquet composition as per their liking bcoz of reasons i have stated above. If they would have decided to increase prices of bouquet then it would have required corresponding raise in standalone prices to comply with bouquet discount cap rule hence served no purpose....now under latest NTO 2.0 rules they have freedom to increase a-la-carte prices of channels by a good margin and raise bouquet price only by little bit thus widening the gap between them and encouraging people to opt for bouquets.

Why would they have to? All they needed was already in place. The MRP of 19 and no bouquet discount was what they needed. They were enjoying the revenue coming from the NO discount bouquet prices along with the ad revenue and the reach they were getting for the non-driver channels due to this approach. You are saying they complied with bouquet discount cap rule in 2019, where the NTO 2.0 RIO itself was announced in Jan 2020. Why would they go to court if they liked NTO 2.0? Broadcasters, even now are against the discount cap on bouquets. They want freedom in pricing in the products they are selling. For them to keep a channel inside the bouquet, as per the NTO 1.0, the MRP should be 19. There was no bouquet discount cap rule in 2019 and nor it is present now. There were no twin conditions in 2019 either. Twin conditions were brought in 2020 with NTO 2.0, to which the broadcasters never complied till Mumbai HC judgement in June 2021. Only after the Mumbai HC judgement in June 2021, Star India published their RIO in Oct 2021, complying the first twin condition of the bouquet rules, however, they kept all the driver channel prices quite high and kept them out of bouquets. They always had the freedom to increase the al-a-carte prices to whatever they want, if they don't keep them in bouquets. The MRP ceiling to the al-a-carte is applicable only if they want to keep the channel in the bouquet. You can check and compare the prices of various bouquets that are being offered right now on Airtel Digital TV platform with the RIO released from Star India recently. Most of the bouquet's price had been raised as there is now a discount cap of 45%, unlike before where they could provide even 50-60% discount.

Also just to make it clear Pre NTO there was no such ceiling applicable on prices and all decisions were left upto market forces which is why broadcasters made advance long term agreements with operators and earned good money from it. Operators got channels / bouquets at huge discounted price and added their big profit margins to it and sold the same to us. Operators kept a-la-carte prices extremely high (touching Rs. 70 to 100 for many channels ) so as to force people to opt for bouquets. Even the discounted retention or special packs they brought in for subscribers did not cause any loss to them as they got these channels from broadcasters itself at very low cost

You don't seem to have knowledge about the Pre NTO era. You need to read more about it. The twin conditions in NTO 2.0 are brought from the Pre NTO era. You can read the NTO 2.0 original order to understand this. It is mentioned in the order itself that these conditions were there in the Pre NTO era and TRAI was bringing them back to help consumers. Only thing is that those conditions were not exposed to the end users. The conditions were only between Broadcasters and DPOs, which is why you don't have any visibility as to what transpired between the broadcasters and DPOs.

It looks you don't want to end this. I'm okay to continue as long as you want to. I will prove that you are wrong. Please post the SVP Hindi pricing calculation from Airtel Digital TV, like you promised to do. That should clear up everything for you, as in that bouquet itself there is 35% discount.

 

[dino29]

What you are saying is quite illogical. It's up to the broadcaster to decide how much discount they want to give on their packs. There is no minimum or maximum ceiling. So it's obvious that the discount will vary from various percentages, and you can find bouquets with discounts in various percentages. However, there should be NO bouquet exceeding 33% discount cap from these broadcasters that are complying with the rules as you are assuming. Let's say Star India is complying with the twin conditions, then none of the bouquets from Star India should provide more than 33% discount. But this is not the case, there are various bouquets from Star India wherein they provide more than 33% discount. You still did NOT give the detailed pricing from Airtel Digital TV for SVP SD bouquet, as it is not compliant with the 33% rule. If you post it, you will be proven wrong, hence you are saying this ONLY in words but not with screenshots or data. The NTO 1.0 does NOT have any twin conditions in place, it's only in NTO 2.0 that the twin conditions are in place. You are complicating things unnecessarily for the other members, even when I'm trying to simplify for them.

Answer - I have already given examples that all of current bouquet of Star Disney comply with bouquet discount cap and given examples to prove the same. They complied voluntarily to avoid hassles with TRAI and some broadcasters did not hence as status quo was maintained hence same RIO continue until now with minor change in some which were brought about in 2019-20. TRAI did not take coercive action until some broadcasters came up with a New RIO post Jan 2020 which were not compliant with NTO 2.0 rules hence were not allowed to be implemented

Like I said, only the broadcasters with less reach such as Jaya and IN10 complied with the NTO 2.0 and published the RIO. None of the other broadcasters complied with it. The status quo being maintained was from NTO 1.0, that is without any discount cap and MRP cap of 19 for a channel to be placed in a bouquet. Major broadcasters like Star, Zee, Sony, Viacom never implemented the twin conditions till date. If they did, you would have seen an increase in bouquet prices, which didn't happen. Even the IBF president confirmed that there had been no price increase in the last 3 years and only now they are increasing the prices in single digit for the bouquets.

Answer - I have already explained why prices of bouquets were not increased. Most broadcasters came out with RIO which had bouquet discount capping way back in 2019-2020 itself as some of these RIO came before 15% bouquet discount cap rule was struck down by Madras High Court while some came in the period when bouquet cap discount rule did not apply (after Madras High Court Judgment and before TRAI mandate in beginning of 2020 to broadcasters for complying with twin conditions) and some RIO came post Jan 2020 which voluntarily adopted twin conditions or atleast the 1st condition as there was no stay on the same until broadcasters went to Bombay High court in July 2020 and since then status quo for respective RIO has continued...After Bombay High Court partially upheld (removing 2nd twin condition) NTO 2.0 broadcasters went to Supreme Court which again told both parties to maintain status quo until final verdict and finally in Feb 2022 broadcasters withdrew their plea from Supreme Court & started consultation process with TRAI which concluded recently and NTO 2.0 amended rules r set to come into effect from Feb 1 2023. So basically u will see only few RIO which r not compliant with twin conditions or atleast one of them. Please understand twin conditions had come into effect in Jan 2020 and broadcasters had no option but to comply with the same for RIO which came into effect from March 1 2020...there was no stay on it till July 2020 and when status quo was imposed by Bombay High Court then older RIO's were already in implementation and continue till now. Turner India bouquet which u referring to would have come in the end of 2019 where neither there was 15% bouquet discount cap applicable as same was struck down by Madras High Court and Twin Conditions rule was not implemented by TRAI ....such RIO too continued as status quo was maintained by TRAI from March 2020 onwards first to by its own will to give more time to broadcasters and then by respective courts

The status quo being maintained was from NTO 1.0, that is without any discount cap and MRP cap of 19 for a channel to be placed in a bouquet. There was no other status quo. Even now, the same status quo is being maintained.

Again, WRONG timeline. 2nd twin condition was dropped by the Mumbai HC in Jun 2021 and the compliant RIOs were released in Oct 2021 and after. Till the Mumbai HC judgement was pronounced, NONE of the major broadcasters complied with the NTO 2.0 rules i.e. twin conditions. Status quo, even now is NTO 1.0 without any discount cap, hence you can see huge discounts from ALL the broadcasters on the Airtel Digital TV platform.

Answer - i forgot to add the word "would" before have in the 1st of line of the para/comment u have quoted hence plz add the same and understand what i wanted to convery.

Star India never complied with the discount cap rule till date. Even now, on Airtel Digital TV platform, there are various bouquets from Star India with more than 40% discount as well. For instance, SPP Hindi with 22 channels has a discount of 47% on Airtel Digital TV platform. You can calculate it. It has the Sum Of al-a-carte channels at 148.1 rupees and the bouquet price is 79. And you can take your favorite bouquet SVP Hindi as well, which has 35% discount, not 33%. If a broadcaster is complying with the twin conditions, this is NOT feasible. They should NOT have a single bouquet that is exceeding the twin condition rules. One broadcaster can't have two types of RIOs in place, some complying NTO 1.0 and some complying NTO 2.0.

Answer - I have already said that all bouquets which came into effect pre Jan 2020 and after Mardras High Court ruling f striking down 15% discount cap on bouquet will not necessarily be compliant with twin conditions as twin conditions itself came into effect from Jan 2020 and from then till July 2020 any RIO / bouquet which came out would all be complying with the twin conditions else TRAI did not allow for the same to be implemented just like TRAI disallowed Disney Star to implement a RIO which they brought in Jan First week of 2020 which flouted twin condition rule. The bouquet u r referring to came in September 2019 when bouquet discount cap rule was not applicable, however broadcasters like disney star voluntarily applied less discount on many bouquets to avoid hassle with TRAI as they knew new bouquet discount rules would soon come up and they may have to make modifications then....being a big broadcaster it is not feasible for them to make constant changes which cause inconvenience to viewers hence they played safe. Turner India came up with RIO/bouquet around same time and decided to give lower bouquet cap discount a miss as same wasn't mandatory at that point and being a smaller broadcaster they could have later made changes if need would have arised. So all in all i will see variations in bouquet discounts being offered in various bouquets of different and this decision was taken by them based on prevalent rules at that time as well as their own foresight. Has Disney Star Come up with a 50% discounted Star Value Prime Bouquet back in 2019 same would have continued until now

Why would they have to? All they needed was already in place. The MRP of 19 and no bouquet discount was what they needed. They were enjoying the revenue coming from the NO discount bouquet prices along with the ad revenue and the reach they were getting for the non-driver channels due to this approach. You are saying they complied with bouquet discount cap rule in 2019, where the NTO 2.0 RIO itself was announced in Jan 2020. Why would they go to court if they liked NTO 2.0? Broadcasters, even now are against the discount cap on bouquets. They want freedom in pricing in the products they are selling. For them to keep a channel inside the bouquet, as per the NTO 1.0, the MRP should be 19. There was no bouquet discount cap rule in 2019 and nor it is present now. There were no twin conditions in 2019 either. Twin conditions were brought in 2020 with NTO 2.0, to which the broadcasters never complied till Mumbai HC judgement in June 2021. Only after the Mumbai HC judgement in June 2021, Star India published their RIO in Oct 2021, complying the first twin condition of the bouquet rules, however, they kept all the driver channel prices quite high and kept them out of bouquets. They always had the freedom to increase the al-a-carte prices to whatever they want, if they don't keep them in bouquets. The MRP ceiling to the al-a-carte is applicable only if they want to keep the channel in the bouquet. You can check and compare the prices of various bouquets that are being offered right now on Airtel Digital TV platform with the RIO released from Star India recently. Most of the bouquet's price had been raised as there is now a discount cap of 45%, unlike before where they could provide even 50-60% discount.

Answer - I am not saying that they r pro NTO 2.0 rules...They came up with RIO/bouquet which was needed at that point of time and i have already explained above how this worked out. Also they were not happy as u r quoting them to be, since last 2 years they have telling that we have lost subscribers bcoz of NTO 1.0 although real truth was that they implemented rules in wrong manner to create an impression that NTO rules lead to increase in prices of channels and bouquets which is not the truth. They want complete freedom like it existed in Pre NTO days and by the way twin conditions were not applicable back then and you r wrongly stating that twin conditions existed even before 2018...if twin conditions were applicable how channel prices of Star Plus, Zee, Sony , Star Sports, Star Gold , Zee Cinema, Sony Max, Sony Sports Channels were super inflated costing Rs. 30 to Rs. 75 on a-la-carte mode while in DPO bouquet price of these channels were provided at super heavy discount and average price of these channels came to to Rs. 5, 6 or max till 15 or 20 Rs. when part of bouquet. So both twin conditions were non existent back then and hence to break this jinx/anomally NTO rules were brought in.
I have already answered ur query about timeline and how broadcasters decided upon pricing/bouquet discount from mid of 2018 until July 2020 (when Mumbai High Court took up NTO 2.0 case), please have a look and try to understand why bouquet / prices of different broadcasters have so much variations at this point of time.

You don't seem to have knowledge about the Pre NTO era. You need to read more about it. The twin conditions in NTO 2.0 are brought from the Pre NTO era. You can read the NTO 2.0 original order to understand this. It is mentioned in the order itself that these conditions were there in the Pre NTO era and TRAI was bringing them back to help consumers. Only thing is that those conditions were not exposed to the end users. The conditions were only between Broadcasters and DPOs, which is why you don't have any visibility as to what transpired between the broadcasters and DPOs.

Answer - I do have good knowledge on this hence confidently putting forward my points rather anna u r not trying to understand what my statements really mean, Yes , earlier all things were enclosed and hence as subscribers were not getting any benefit so NTO rules expanded the implementation of those "hidden twin conditions" so that at ground level changes r made and benefits r passed onto subscribers. This is why now we have power to select broadcasters bouquet and a-la-carte prices as decided by broadcasters . Previously operators and broadcasters were just earning profit and we viewers neither got freedom to choose nor exposed to actual pricing be it for broadcaster bouquet or standalone channels. NTO regulations brought transparency, fairness and checks at multiple levels and this was one part of the same

It looks you don't want to end this. I'm okay to continue as long as you want to. I will prove that you are wrong. Please post the SVP Hindi pricing calculation from Airtel Digital TV, like you promised to do. That should clear up everything for you, as in that bouquet itself there is 35% discount.

Answer - Anna, i am not wrong. You should understand what i am trying to say. I am saying that twin conditions r applicable on certain bouquet / RIO either bcoz these came up between Jan 2020 to July 2020 or 15% bouquet discount cap is applicable on RIO which came in 2018 before Madras High Court order (most of these have been revised by broadcasters but still some operators continue with 1st variant of NTO RIO which were brought by broadcasters like the case of disney star bouquets / prices available on Tata Play platform) and RIO/ bouquet which came between the period when there were no bouquet discount cap rules applicable (after Madras High Court order of cancelling 15% bouquet discount cap and before TRAI coming up with twin conditions in Jan 2020) , in such cases u will see variation in bouquet discount cap as broadcasters voluntarily took the call...some played safe and abided by minimal bouquet discount cap on bouquet while others gave high bouquet discount cap.


All these bouquets continue until now as status quo remains applicable from Jan 2020 for RIO which came earlier and any RIO published between Jan 2020 and June 2020 which complied with twin conditions also continue until now as status quo was mandated by respective high court and supreme court from July 2020 onwards

 

[satyajeet]

Kindly stop this essay writing competition. Those who don't read essays here pls give reactions.
Sorry for off-topic post

 

[Siva]

@dino29

Answer - Anna, i am not wrong. You should understand what i am trying to say. I am saying that twin conditions r applicable on certain bouquet / RIO either bcoz these came up between Jan 2020 to July 2020 or 15% bouquet discount cap is applicable on RIO which came in 2018 before Madras High Court order (most of these have been revised by broadcasters but still some operators continue with 1st variant of NTO RIO which were brought by broadcasters like the case of disney star bouquets / prices available on Tata Play platform) and RIO/ bouquet which came between the period when there were no bouquet discount cap rules applicable (after Madras High Court order of cancelling 15% bouquet discount cap and before TRAI coming up with twin conditions in Jan 2020) , in such cases u will see variation in bouquet discount cap as broadcasters voluntarily took the call...some played safe and abided by minimal bouquet discount cap on bouquet while others gave high bouquet discount cap.


Answer - All these bouquets continue until now as status quo remains applicable from Jan 2020 for RIO which came earlier and any RIO published between Jan 2020 and June 2020 which complied with twin conditions also continue until now as status quo was mandated by respective high court and supreme court from July 2020 onwards

Thambi, you are totally wrong and confused. Before the Madras High Court and subsequently the Honorable Supreme Court Order, the NTO was not even in place and the consumers weren't aware of such capping as the dealing was totally between the broadcasters and DPOs (Pre NTO era), and the 15% capping rule was totally irrelevant before this. You are making wrong statements, and you are stating some things that don't add up at all. What are you talking about? There is nothing like CERTAIN bouquets. If a regulation is in place, and is being followed by a broadcaster, they won't follow it for CERTAIN bouquets. They will either follow it entirely or they don't. The thing that you mentioned, Tata Sky still following the old RIO and Airtel Digital TV following the new RIO, this is all from the NTO 1.0 without any discount capping rules.

They want complete freedom like it existed in Pre NTO days and by the way twin conditions were not applicable back then and you r wrongly stating that twin conditions existed even before 2018...if twin conditions were applicable how channel prices of Star Plus, Zee, Sony , Star Sports, Star Gold , Zee Cinema, Sony Max, Sony Sports Channels were super inflated costing Rs. 30 to Rs. 75 on a-la-carte mode while in DPO bouquet price of these channels were provided at super heavy discount and average price of these channels came to to Rs. 5, 6 or max till 15 or 20 Rs. when part of bouquet. So both twin conditions were non existent back then and hence to break this jinx/anomally NTO rules were brought in.

Like I said, you don't seem to have knowledge about this topic. I'm not the one saying that the twin conditions existed. It is TRAI who is saying it in the NTO 2.0 order copy. Let me post a picture from the NTO 2.0 order for you below. This picture is directly from the NTO 2.0 order released by TRAI where they clearly said these twin conditions existed in the pre NTO era from 2007 at wholesale level, i.e., between broadcasters and DPOs.

while others like Disney Star have complied with bouquet discount cap rule and they kept bouquet prices lower

You mentioned as quoted above that Star India has complied with the bouquet capping rules. However, I have shown you SPP Hindi bouquet from Airtel Digital TV, which has a 47% discount and SVP Hindi bouquet, which has a 35% discount and are not following the discount capping rule. So there, the statement you passed in your post saying that Star India is following the discount capping rules is busted. I'm giving you the details of SPP Hindi bouquet with the details from Airtel Digital TV website, supporting my calculation below.

You give me any broadcaster that are following the discount capping rule and I will give you an example bouquet where they are not following it. On the other hand, You still haven't shown me the SVP Hindi bouquet calculation from Airtel Digital TV website that I have been asking for, multiple times. I presume you can't, because the discount percentage is not 33% for it, from the details for Airtel Digital TV website. So, I take it that you are accepting this bouquet is not having 33% capping as you previously stated WRONGLY. This was the kind of misinformation we don't want to be posted on the forum without verifying the facts, and this was exactly what I was trying to avoid. You should first research properly and come out with the proofs/evidences to support your claims. I know you usually do that, but in this case, you failed to do so. Accept it and move on.

 

[iDJ]

Kindly stop this essay writing competition. Those who don't read essays here pls give reactions.
Sorry for off-topic post

This is a forum not a social media site like twitter where you would expect 140 characters. We actually get to learn something via these lengthy post. Also you can't ask for reactions. It's not allowed.

 

[dino29]

@dino29

Thambi, you are totally wrong and confused. Before the Madras High Court and subsequently the Honorable Supreme Court Order, the NTO was not even in place and the consumers weren't aware of such capping as the dealing was totally between the broadcasters and DPOs (Pre NTO era), and the 15% capping rule was totally irrelevant before this. You are making wrong statements, and you are stating some things that don't add up at all. What are you talking about? There is nothing like CERTAIN bouquets. If a regulation is in place, and is being followed by a broadcaster, they won't follow it for CERTAIN bouquets. They will either follow it entirely or they don't. The thing that you mentioned, Tata Sky still following the old RIO and Airtel Digital TV following the new RIO, this is all from the NTO 1.0 without any discount capping rules.



You mentioned as quoted above that Star India has complied with the bouquet capping rules. However, I have shown you SPP Hindi bouquet from Airtel Digital TV, which has a 47% discount and SVP Hindi bouquet, which has a 35% discount and are not following the discount capping rule. So there, the statement you passed in your post saying that Star India is following the discount capping rules is busted. I'm giving you the details of SPP Hindi bouquet with the details from Airtel Digital TV website, supporting my calculation below.

You give me any broadcaster that are following the discount capping rule and I will give you an example bouquet where they are not following it. On the other hand, You still haven't shown me the SVP Hindi bouquet calculation from Airtel Digital TV website that I have been asking for, multiple times. I presume you can't, because the discount percentage is not 33% for it, from the details for Airtel Digital TV website. So, I take it that you are accepting this bouquet is not having 33% capping as you previously stated WRONGLY. This was the kind of misinformation we don't want to be posted on the forum without verifying the facts, and this was exactly what I was trying to avoid. You should first research properly and come out with the proofs/evidences to support your claims. I know you usually do that, but in this case, you failed to do so. Accept it and move on.

Anna i already stated answers to this question in my previous posts. I am not saying all RIO/bouquet are complaint with twin conditions...i have highlighted in the timeline why there is a difference with clear cut explanation for the same...Please have a relook at it. SVP bouquet available on Airtel Digital TV is complaint with 33.33 % bouquet discount cap rule and again i would like to tell that this may well be a voluntary decision taken by Disney Star as this RIO came in September 2019.

What r u saying annna? Before Madras High Court order NTO rules were in place and court was hearing on the same as broadcasters had approached the court to cancel 15% bouquet discount cap. TRAI had directed broadcasters to come out with NTO compliant RIO back in 2018 as NTO regulations were set to come in effect from 2019 hence broadcasters had approached the court to get bouquet discount cap removed. Please anna first understand what i intend to convey.

About following regulations, ofcourse all have to do. I simply stated that between the period when after Madras High Court gave its judgment to cancel 15% bouquet discount cap and TRAI was yet to come out with twin conditions, various broadcasters including disney star came up with New RIO and took voluntary decision to apply discount cap on various bouquets while they applied high discount on some bouquet, on most other bouquets lower discount was applied as they had anticipated that TRAI would come out with some new bouquet discount rulea soon and they would again have to make alteration in bouquet / channel pricing to comply with same which would be difficult task and cause inconvenience to viewers which will then cause them even monetary loss.... So they played a safe game. Broadcasters like Turner India did not play safe and gave high discounts on bouquet.....later status quo continued for all such RIO ....There were RIO published before and after this period too and i have explained how all this worked in my previous post. Whichever was the latest RIO before July 2020 contunues to b applicable until now for most broadcasters and these will have variations based on timeline they were implemented and rules which applied them as well as voluntary calls taken by broadcasters when no bouquet discount cap was applicable during a short time period

Tata Play is continuing with 1st version of Disney Star RIO while Airtel Digital TV signed up for the 2nd revised version and Sun Direct signed onto the 3rd revised version hence there is a difference seen in pricing / composition of certain disney star bouquets which r available on these platforms.

As i have said u r partially right but u r applying same logic across all RIO currently available which is not correct...As i have explained there r different reasons for varying bouquet discount / prices quoted in RIO of various broadcasters...all these can be decoded by analysing when and under what prevalent rules these were brought in

 

[Nikhil Shirvankar]

A-la-Carte of channels in SVP bouquet

SVP bouquet on Airtel Digital TV

Sum of channels prices in A-la-Carte= 88.61
SVP bouquet price= 57.82
Discount= 30.79

Discount % = 34.7477 ~ 34.75% > 33.33%

 

[dino29]

A-la-Carte of channels in SVP bouquet

SVP bouquet on Airtel Digital TV

Sum of channels prices in A-la-Carte= 88.61
SVP bouquet price= 57.82
Discount= 30.79

Discount % = 34.7477 ~ 33.75% > 33.33%

Wrong way of calculation. First add up standalone price of all channels which excludes tax and then apply 33.33 discount on it...u will come up with a price of around Rs. 49.(something) add 18% GST to it and u will arrive at bouquet price of Rs. 57.82

 

[Siva]

Please have a relook at it. SVP bouquet available on Airtel Digital TV is complaint with 33.33 % bouquet discount cap rule and again i would like to tell that this may well be a voluntary decision taken by Disney Star as this RIO came in September 2019.

It is YOU who need to have a relook at it, as I have asked you multiple times to post the bouquet details from the Airtel Digital TV website, and you FAILED to do so. Since you failed to do so, I'm doing it for you from the Airtel Digital TV website below, Now you need to accept that you are wrong, as the discount percentage is NOT 33, but it is 35 (Without Tax).

What r u saying annna? Before Madras High Court order NTO rules were in place and court was hearing on the same as broadcasters had approached the court to cancel 15% bouquet discount cap. TRAI had directed broadcasters to come out with NTO compliant RIO back in 2018 as NTO regulations were set to come in effect from 2019 hence broadcasters had approached the court to get bouquet discount cap removed. Please anna first understand what i intend to convey.

WRONG again. NTO 1.0 rules were NOT in place before the honorable Supreme Court Order was pronounced. The broadcasters approached the Madras high court way back in 2017, not only for the 15% discount cap cancellation, they wanted the entire NTO itself to be cancelled. After the Madras HC upheld the NTO 1.0 in March 2018, barring 15% discount capping rule, the broadcasters then went to Supreme Court and ONLY after the Supreme Court pronounced its judgement in 2019, FINALLY NTO 1.0 came into effect without any discount cap, and they published the NTO 1.0 compliant RIOs. You are TOTALLY WRONG with all your timelines. You are saying that the NTO is in place, even before Madras high court order and the broadcasters published RIOs to that effect. This is completely FALSE. Correct yourself thambi.

About following regulations, ofcourse all have to do. I simply stated that between the period when after Madras High Court gave its judgment to cancel 15% bouquet discount cap and TRAI was yet to come out with twin conditions, various broadcasters including disney star came up with New RIO and took voluntary decision to apply discount cap on various bouquets while they applied high discount on some bouquet, on most other bouquets lower discount was applied as they had anticipated that TRAI would come out with some new bouquet discount rulea soon and they would again have to make alteration in bouquet / channel pricing to comply with same which would be difficult task and cause inconvenience to viewers which will then cause them even monetary loss.... So they played a safe game. Broadcasters like Turner India did not play safe and gave high discounts on bouquet.....later status quo continued for all such RIO ....There were RIO published before and after this period too and i have explained how all this worked in my previous post. Whichever was the latest RIO before July 2020 contunues to b applicable until now for most broadcasters and these will have variations based on timeline they were implemented and rules which applied them as well as voluntary calls taken by broadcasters when no bouquet discount cap was applicable during a short time period

You are incorrect in all these statements as I stated above.

 

[Nikhil Shirvankar]

u will come up with a price of around Rs. 49.(something)

why this .(something) values should be exact right, by the way by your calculations, after reducing 33.33% of 75.1 and before applying GST bouquet price comes out to be 50.069

Add gst to it, it comes out to be 59.0816 > 57.82