Breaking NTO 2.0 To Be Implemented From 1st February 2023

[satyajeet]

Please don't indulge in name calling or making derogatory comments. If u r willing to learn u would need to invest time, patience and energy to decode facts properly else u would remain confused and take the easy way out to say that i am wrong which does not serve any purpose.

All the information i have shared is based on lot of immense research and hours spent in trying to put all parts of information in right sequence so that logical/proper reasoning can b arrived at as to why and how these varying prices / bouquet discount of different broadcasters came into implementation

You don't want to understand. I agree with you most of time. But this time you are wrong. Telling this is not name calling or derogatory..

Let me explain by eg. Suppose govt makes 5 star AC as mandatory. OEMs go to court and court stays the govt order. Still one of OEM say A decides to sell only 5 star AC voluntarily. Other OEMs keep making different types of AC.
Now you are citing decision of A to conclude that govt order of 5 star AC has been enforced.

For any hypothesis to be true, all its variables must be proven to be true. If any one variable is proven wrong then hypothesis is wrong.
While reverse of this is not true. By proving one/few variable to be true, you don't prove hypothesis. This is what you are doing.

Even if a single bouquet is above 33% limit, it is enough to prove that there is no discount cap of 33% as per rule in force currently.

 

[dino29]

The point is that what @Siva bro posted is a simple table showing clear calculations and proving that Bouquet discount on Airtel Digital TV for SVP is 35%

What I've posted are screen captures from Airtel Digital TV Manage My pack section, again showing that the Bouquet discount on Airtel Digital TV for SVP is 34.75%

While what you're are doing is posting theories and all article links.

A lot theories happened surrounding NTO, but the fact in practical still remains that NTO original (call it 1.0) is existent still and is existent still without any cap on Bouquet discount pricing on Airtel Digital TV as well and new one comes in FEB 2023 (it's still a theory until it comes live).

You haven't posted any simple table or any official calculations from DPO websites, you haven't posted a practical example, you have just posted and quoted theories, theories that everyone knows.

And why should we believe only in theories when we have actual practical examples stated.

Dude, first go thru my above posts. All answers r there. I have not said what u r quoting. How things proceeded in NTO implementation and when different RIO came into effect have various implications and which is why u will not find uniform application of rules across different RIO of broadcasters.

I have posted the actual facts and not some made up theories. Instead of just always trying to project me in wrong light, request u to put extra efforts in understanding the meaning what i have stated

 

[JollyLNB]

I think the thread should be closed for the time being to prevent any more long comments. Both @Siva and @dino29 are trying to make their arguments but the common reader is finding it difficult to read all these essays. As another member said, we should not be having an essay writing competition here. Let the thread be closed and it should be reopened only close to 1 February 2023 when NTO 2.0 is implemented.

 

[A B]

Well, in my opinion, this is the place where we can share our information to other people and here all have right to say his word. And, till now I don't think that any rule or regulation is broken. So we cannot stop anyone from write here till he/she writing in a genuine and formal language.
So, overall, they are resolving the issue and coming to a reasoned conclusion. Wait for sometime.

 

[dino29]

Where did you answer, I posted the discount percentage of 35% for the SVP bouquet from Airtel Digital TV. 35>33. Are you saying 35<33? What are you trying to say? Repeat it

I have answered in detail why there is difference in discount offered by various broadcasters. Please read my posts carefully

BUDDY, You are saying that the broadcasters went to Madras High Court in 2018, which is again WRONG. They went in 2017, immediately after TRAI notified the NTO 1.0 in 2017 and the Madras high court pronounced the verdict in March 2018. Broadcasters then went to Supreme Court, which upheld the order later on and the NTO 1.0 finally came into effect from mid 2019. NTO 1.0 implementation was NOT deferred to March 2020, NTO 1.0 had come into effect in mid 2019 itself. After looking at the market response for almost one year, TRAI came up with the NTO 2.0 amendments in Jan 2020.

Fine, they went in 2017...it does not change is any way what i tried to state regarding how RIO of various broadcasters got launched at 3 different stages and hence accordingly have differing bouquet discount. When i said NTO came into effect in 2020 i referred to revised guidelines . Anna You should once again read my posts and understand what i said. First u said broadcasters went to Supreme Court in 2019 and not in 2021 to which i clarified that they had again went to Supreme Court against Bombay High Court and now when i explained to u how between all thesw litigations broadcasters brought about RIO at various points of time thus leading to difference in bouquet discount cap and other things but u r not trying to understand it rather just twisting n turning my statement or finding minor errors in it which do not make any impact on the facts i mentioned

You are COMPLETELY confused with the timelines, and you don't know what you are saying. I can't help but pity the situation here.

We all can understand who is the REAL CONFUSED one here, looking at the responses we are getting for both our posts.

I am not at all confused rather i am clear and confident about all things i have stated. I really feel astonished that rather than admitting that u r just partially right and trying to actually read my posts carefully and understand the bigger picture, u r simply just somehow trying to prove infront of all that u r entirely right and i am wrong.

 

[dino29]

@dino29 Are You Saying Discount Cap Was There At 33% Under NTO 1.0???

No. I said something else. Please do read my posts in this thread to understand what i intended to convey

 

[dino29]

No, he is saying 35<33

Where did i say so anna? It is very easy to poke fun but difficult to make sense of complex information being mentioned.

 

[dino29]

Waiting for his calculations.. it would be an amazing find today, which happens to be National Mathematics Day...

I have already clearly explained all the things. There is no wrong maths or data mentioned in it. It would be national intelligence day if u and others pay more attention to know actual meaning what i stated rather than just give it superficial reading and dismiss it

 

[dino29]

You don't want to understand. I agree with you most of time. But this time you are wrong. Telling this is not name calling or derogatory..

Let me explain by eg. Suppose govt makes 5 star AC as mandatory. OEMs go to court and court stays the govt order. Still one of OEM say A decides to sell only 5 star AC voluntarily. Other OEMs keep making different types of AC.
Now you are citing decision of A to conclude that govt order of 5 star AC has been enforced.

For any hypothesis to be true, all its variables must be proven to be true. If any one variable is proven wrong then hypothesis is wrong.
While reverse of this is not true. By proving one/few variable to be true, you don't prove hypothesis. This is what you are doing.

Even if a single bouquet is above 33% limit, it is enough to prove that there is no discount cap of 33% as per rule in force currently.

You r quoting a wrong example buddy. Again read what i said in earlier posts. Broadcasters came up with RIO complying with rules as they stood at that time and due to status quo applied thereafter these RIO/ bouquet still remain in effect and variations r visible across them bcoz of this reason.

I am not saying twin conditions r applicable on all RIO of different broadcasters. Please buddy do not get confused, rather give my posts a thorough read to correctly understand what u have stated

 

[satyajeet]

Broadcasters came up with RIO complying with rules as they stood at that time and due to status quo applied thereafter these RIO/ bouquet still remain in effect and variations r visible across them bcoz of this reason.

NTO 1.0 in effect since beginning wrt discount rule is same. There is not variation in enforcement of this rule. If you find various discounts, it is sole business decision to give any amount of discount. Status quo mean news rule is not enforced. You can not deduce enforcement just because any Bouquet satisfy 33%. There is no discount cap doesn't necessarily mean discount has to be given. Theoretically they could chose not to give any or nominal discount too. It does mean that it is because of enforcement of rule.

I am not saying twin conditions r applicable on all RIO of different broadcasters. Please buddy do not get confused, rather give my posts a thorough read to correctly understand what u have stated

So, you mean twin condition may not be applicable for few broadcasters? If it is so, it violates art 14 of Indian const. Don't even think like this that it can be the case.
If is enforced then it is for all. If it is not, then for none.
Doing anything voluntarily is different matter which has nothing to do with enforcement of rule.