Breaking NTO 2.0 To Be Implemented From 1st February 2023

[mmadhankumar]

I think the thread should be closed for the time being to prevent any more long comments. Both @Siva and @dino29 are trying to make their arguments but the common reader is finding it difficult to read all these essays. As another member said, we should not be having an essay writing competition here. Let the thread be closed and it should be reopened only close to 1 February 2023 when NTO 2.0 is implemented.

The essay competition is happening because there's one member trying to spread misinformation and defending it without proper data and evidences and on the other side there are people trying to establish the correct information.. if you are okay with allowing wrong information on the forum we can close this thread. But i believe, as a senior member you wouldn't want to let down the reputation of our forum by doing so. Irony is that, it is surprising to hear from you that you don't like essays.

I really feel astonished that rather than admitting that u r just partially right and trying to actually read my posts carefully and understand the bigger picture, u r simply just somehow trying to prove infront of all that u r entirely right and i am wrong.

Similarly, majority of the forum members are astonished that rather than admitting your misunderstanding you are still standing it and bringing more confusion in order to defend it. If you ask how i know "majority" are astonished, it is evident from the replies on this thread as well as the reports we receive on your posts in this thread.

I have already clearly explained all the things. There is no wrong maths or data mentioned in it. It would be national intelligence day if u and others pay more attention to know actual meaning what i stated rather than just give it superficial reading and dismiss it

I have the intelligence to accept my mistakes unlike few others..

 

[Siva]

I have answered in detail why there is difference in discount offered by various broadcasters. Please read my posts carefully

The question was not generic. It was specific to one bouquet i.e., SVP Hindi bouquet you repeatedly mentioned that had 33% discount. And you did NOT answer the question about discount capping for SVP Hindi bouquet on Airtel Digital TV platform. You said the below in your own post that you will post the details for it.

It does not come to Rs. 75 .... I have correctly listed standalone price of 12 channels which r part of Star Hindi Value pack and gave calculation break up based on it.

I did not give such break up for latest variant Star Value Prime Hindi Pack which is available on Airtel Digital TV Platform as it would have served same purpose hence no point investing extra time for that. I will post the details for that too bcoz same bouquet discount cap is applicable there too.

You never did this, and you didn't acknowledge your mistake when I posted a table all by myself, despite repeatedly asking you for this. The table clearly shown that the discount cap for this bouquet on Airtel Digital TV platform is 35%. This is just one of the numerous mistakes you did on this thread. This is what we call misinformation. I'm posting the table again. You prove it wrong, if you can.

Fine, they went in 2017...it does not change is any way what i tried to state regarding how RIO of various broadcasters got launched at 3 different stages and hence accordingly have differing bouquet discount. When i said NTO came into effect in 2020 i referred to revised guidelines . Anna You should once again read my posts and understand what i said. First u said broadcasters went to Supreme Court in 2019 and not in 2021 to which i clarified that they had again went to Supreme Court against Bombay High Court and now when i explained to u how between all thesw litigations broadcasters brought about RIO at various points of time thus leading to difference in bouquet discount cap and other things but u r not trying to understand it rather just twisting n turning my statement or finding minor errors in it which do not make any impact on the facts i mentioned

I'm not trying to twist and turn anything. I'm only quoting what you wrote and correcting your BLUNDERS. Those are not any minor errors, they are BIG BLUNDERS. If you don't post the basic timeline right in such a long chain of events, wouldn't it confuse people? If you are confused, keep it to yourself and don't bring your confusion to the rest of the forum. There could have been 100 different RIOs posted from the time NTO 1.0 came into effect and now. However, the fact remains that the tariff order that is currently in effect i.e. NTO 1.0, doesn't mandate the bouquet discount capping. As simple as that. If a broadcaster is having 1 bouquet at 33% discount, out of 100 bouquets they are offering, that's not called "Abiding to the regulation". You can refer to a quite relevant AC example quoted by @satyajeet bro, which you obviously brushed off like you usually do. That is EXACTLY what you need to understand.

I'm posting the entire NTO timeline for your reference below. Get it into your head, if you can.

NTO 1.0 Notification - March 2017
Broadcasters filed petitions in Madras High Court - March 2017
Madras HC Verdict without 15% discount cap - March 2018
Broadcasters filed appeal in SC - March 2018
SC Verdict upholding Madras HC order - Oct 2018
Broadcasters published NTO 1.0 compliant RIOs - Oct 2018
TRAI moved the consumers to the NTO 1.0 regime - Feb 2019
TRAI brought the NTO 2.0 with amendments, including the so-called twin conditions - Jan 2020
Broadcasters filed petitions in Bombay High Court - Jan 2020
Bombay High Court Verdict upholding the order barring the 2nd twin condition - Jun 2021
Broadcasters filed an appeal in SC against the Bombay HC judgement - Jul 2021
Broadcasters published NTO 2.0 compliant RIOs by keeping the driver channels out of bouquets - Oct 2021
Broadcasters withdrew the appeal in SC - Feb 2022
TRAI started consultation process on NTO 2.0 - May 2022
TRAI brought Amended NTO 2.0 - Nov 2022
Broadcasters released the Amended NTO 2.0 compliant RIOs - Dec 2022
TRAI moving the consumers to Amended NTO 2.0 - To be in Feb 2023

I am not at all confused rather i am clear and confident about all things i have stated. I really feel astonished that rather than admitting that u r just partially right and trying to actually read my posts carefully and understand the bigger picture, u r simply just somehow trying to prove infront of all that u r entirely right and i am wrong.

YES, You are very clearly and confidently posting BLATANT BLUNDERS and conveniently providing misinformation all day long. This is what is astonishing, mind-boggling and bewildering, not only to me, but to the entire forum. By the way, It was you who first said that "I'm Wrong". So I started putting the facts in front of you as a responsible forum member, as I know that I'm not wrong, and you are the one who is COMPLETELY WRONG. Rest of the forum members understood this fact after all this discussion, even after your futile attempts of proving something that is non-existent. It's actually unbelievable that you are still trying to prove you are right, after quite comprehensively being proven that you are WRONG through numbers, calculations and facts.

Where did i say so anna? It is very easy to poke fun but difficult to make sense of complex information being mentioned.

You don't have to say this in literal sense. Since you didn't respond to a simple question of whether the SVP Hindi bouquet had 35% discount on Airtel Digital TV platform, we had to assume this. Anyway, we tried every possible way to make you understand the facts. Through numbers, links, forum threads, examples etc. etc. The only thing now left is to at least make you understand through fun.

 

[Karthik_]

@dino29 Are You Saying Discount Cap Was There At 33% Under NTO 1.0???

 

[Prithi Deb]

 

[JollyLNB]

if you are okay with allowing wrong information on the forum we can close this thread. But i believe, as a senior member you wouldn't want to let down the reputation of our forum by doing so.

Of course, what I meant is that one of the moderators would issue a final point of view clearing all misunderstandings, and only then close the thread after ensuring that there is no misinformation. But on the other hand I do agree that the collective participation of other members is necessary to separate the facts from the fiction. Whether or not you actually close the thread or keep it open is entirely your call, and others agree that it should be kept open as of now.

Irony is that, it is surprising to hear from you that you don't like essays.

In the news website, yes. I write the longest essays. But on the forum it is different.

 

[dino29]

I am not wasting anymore time writing and explaining things again on this topic. I have already mentioned all things on great detail in earlier posts and it covers all the questions / queries..still if some members are not willing to understand that information and just go on putting questions which have already been answered, twist/turn what i have stated and make false allegations against me then sorry but i cannot help them in any way.

Members r free to read previous posts and learn or draw whatever inference they want. I stand by what i have said and i am "not wrong" in any way whatsoever.

I cannot do anything if deliberately or bcoz of genuine inability to understand information, certain members r just again again posting same queries and wrongly interpreting what i have stated. I will not further invest time and efforts to clarify the doubts or correct them as it has hardly resulted in any positive outcome earlier on. Before some members accuse me of not accepting mistake and running away, i would like to tell them i am not escaping but taking a wise call of not indulging in anymore discussion on this as there is nothing more left to address.

How i have decoded all the facts and listed it out, it is totally accurate... Some minor errors which would have happened do not impact the reasoning i have provided for the questions put forward.

Please continue bashing, putting false allegations and add as much derogatory remarks against me in future posts. I stand by truth and shall continue to do so no matter how much the other side tries to malign my image.

Any sensible person which goes thru and give thorough reading + thought over what has been stated by me and others will clearly be able to make out that all things i have stated r totally logical and based on actual reality. If someone decides to not connect all things properly,, jumbles them up and draw wrong conclusion despite all efforts been made me to clearly define what was said then the unnecessary arguments competition will continue on and i am not willing to be part of such unproductive discussion

 

[Siva]

I am not wasting anymore time writing and explaining things again on this topic. I have already mentioned all things on great detail in earlier posts and it covers all the questions / queries..still if some members are not willing to understand that information and just go on putting questions which have already been answered, twist/turn what i have stated and make false allegations against me then sorry but i cannot help them in any way.

Members r free to read previous posts and learn or draw whatever inference they want. I stand by what i have said and i am "not wrong" in any way whatsoever.

I cannot do anything if deliberately or bcoz of genuine inability to understand information, certain members r just again again posting same queries and wrongly interpreting what i have stated. I will not further invest time and efforts to clarify the doubts or correct them as it has hardly resulted in any positive outcome earlier on. Before some members accuse me of not accepting mistake and running away, i would like to tell them i am not escaping but taking a wise call of not indulging in anymore discussion on this as there is nothing more left to address.

How i have decoded all the facts and listed it out, it is totally accurate... Some minor errors which would have happened do not impact the reasoning i have provided for the questions put forward.

Please continue bashing, putting false allegations and add as much derogatory remarks against me in future posts. I stand by truth and shall continue to do so no matter how much the other side tries to malign my image.

Any sensible person which goes thru and give thorough reading + thought over what has been stated by me and others will clearly be able to make out that all things i have stated r totally logical and based on actual reality. If someone decides to not connect all things properly,, jumbles them up and draw wrong conclusion despite all efforts been made me to clearly define what was said then the unnecessary arguments competition will continue on and i am not willing to be part of such unproductive discussion

You couldn't answer a simple question of whether the Airtel Digital TV SVP Hindi bouquet is complying the bouquet discount cap or not. You are just unable to digest the fact that you have been proven WRONG with the numbers and data. Yet, you continue to say you were not wrong, despite quoting what you yourself posted a few pages ago that you will provide the information from Airtel Digital TV and were unable to do so. When I provided the same information for you, you couldn't digest those numbers. You could have gone back several times to check them with your eyes, but nothing could be done, as you can't manipulate the numbers.

Furthermore, you don't need to spend any more time on this thread producing FALSE information, as it's already been proven multiple times that your information is COMPLETELY INCORRECT, and it's been exposed by multiple forum members to all the forum members. So there is no need for your WRONG point of view on this thread, as it would only keep increasing the misinformation. In other words, your HELP is no longer required on this thread, unless you correct yourself. We keep DDF to the highest standard, and we will NOT let any member spoil our image on the internet community. Our forum members are VERY sensible, which shows in the reactions they have given throughout this thread for multiple posts. Thanks again for your contribution, see you around!!

 

[dino29]

You couldn't answer a simple question of whether the Airtel Digital TV SVP Hindi bouquet is complying the bouquet discount cap or not. You are just unable to digest the fact that you have been proven WRONG with the numbers and data. Yet, you continue to say you were not wrong, despite quoting what you yourself posted a few pages ago that you will provide the information from Airtel Digital TV and were unable to do so. When I provided the same information for you, you couldn't digest those numbers. You could have gone back several times to check them with your eyes, but nothing could be done, as you can't manipulate the numbers.

Furthermore, you don't need to spend any more time on this thread producing FALSE information, as it's already been proven multiple times that your information is COMPLETELY INCORRECT, and it's been exposed by multiple forum members to all the forum members. So there is no need for your WRONG point of view on this thread, as it would only keep increasing the misinformation. In other words, your HELP is no longer required on this thread, unless you correct yourself. We keep DDF to the highest standard, and we will NOT let any member spoil our image on the internet community. Our forum members are VERY sensible, which shows in the reactions they have given throughout this thread for multiple posts. Thanks again for your contribution, see you around!!

Anna, i have answered your questions about SVP bouquet available on Airtel Digital TV but you are again asking same question hence there is no point again mentioning same thing.

There is no manipulation, falseehood , wrong in what i have said so there is no question of me digesting or feeling guilt about anything. It's upto u whether to understand correctly what i have stated or decode things in wrong manner and put false accusations against me.

I have always made a point to be true to myself first, held virtues of integrity and credibility to be of prime importance and i do not like dishonesty hence there is no chance i would give wrong information and bloat about it. This is not in my DNA. If i make a mistake, i apologise without even others requesting me do the same and if i am right i will stand by it no matter how much other people try to defame or say bad about me.

I have been a member of this forum for last 12 years and contributed a lot in thousands of thread and worked hard on the same. I have not come out and made random comments rather hours of hardwork,research and patience have gone into finding answers, knowing things and then sharing it here hence i have tried to maintain and play my small role in crafting high standards for the forum . My contributions speak for my work, i hate to promote or be outspoken about this but since u raises this point hence i believe it is important that i clearly state this out that i have always maintained a standard for discussion and information shared. Image of a forum is not being spoiled by me but when i am being constantly blamed without a reason , my statements r being twisted /misunderstood and efforts r being made to just somehow project me negatively... All this is definitely spoiling image / reputation of the forum. Whether my help is required or not that is again decision to b taken by others but as a member i should b allowed to list out information which is accurate and true even though u and some others would not be able to properly decode the same & drawing out wrong interpretations of the same on a constant basis.

I am sensible enough to know where i am wrong or right, 100 people telling a truth to be lie does not translate into a right thing turning into wrong.

Let's not carry this discussion forward any longer....let members or visitors themselves read and decide which side they r on and who they consider as right or wrong. Lastly request to u that if u cannot acknowledge or respect my contribution or hard work put over all these years in the forum, atleast don't simply paint it all in negative light and simply cast discredit all my efforts

 

[Siva]

Anna, i have answered your questions about SVP bouquet available on Airtel Digital TV but you are again asking same question hence there is no point again mentioning same thing.

What is the answer? Does it have 33% discount? I have NOT seen a direct answer to my simple question after multiple pages of essays you wrote.

You have shown this type of behavior in multiple other threads too. When the forum members ask you specific questions in an argument/discussion, you ask them to google themselves, search the forum for your previous posts, and you will say things like there is no point in mentioning the same thing again and again etc. etc. while you usually write long essays for every little thing. You have all the time in the world to write essays on unnecessary things, but don't have time to answer specific questions. Well, The REAL reason is that you don't have an answer for those questions, and that's why you hide behind these excuses. It's crystal clear to all the forum members now. We will instantly know that you don't have an answer, the moment you start saying these things.

I have always made a point to be true to myself first, held virtues of integrity and credibility to be of prime importance and i do not like dishonesty hence there is no chance i would give wrong information and bloat about it. This is not in my DNA. If i make a mistake, i apologise without even others requesting me do the same and if i am right i will stand by it no matter how much other people try to defame or say bad about me.

That's exactly what you are NOT doing. After pages of explaining that there's no discount capping in place right now and being shown examples you neither acknowledged nor apologized for your wrongdoings.

as a member i should b allowed to list out information which is accurate and true even though u and some others would not be able to properly decode the same & drawing out wrong interpretations of the same on a constant basis.

Of course. Nobody will point you out, if you share accurate and true information. However, We will NEVER allow you to spread false information on our forum, which is exactly what you did in this thread. We can take extreme measures as needed to avoid the forum's reputation getting damaged by a single member.

I am sensible enough to know where i am wrong or right, 100 people telling a truth to be lie does not translate into a right thing turning into wrong.

You know who is sensible? A person who understands and accepts his mistake when multiple people point it out with examples and numbers. You are completely opposite to that, as you can only think that you are always right. You are not being sensible, you are rather being incorrigible and unrepentant. Not only that, but you are the one who told continuous lies and desperately tried to prove them as truth and failed miserably, not the others.

Let's not carry this discussion forward any longer....let members or visitors themselves read and decide which side they r on and who they consider as right or wrong. Lastly request to u that if u cannot acknowledge or respect my contribution or hard work put over all these years in the forum, atleast don't simply paint it all in negative light and simply cast discredit all my efforts

As I said, this thread no longer requires your misinformation. There's no discussion left to carry on as your statements have already been proven WRONG with several examples. It no longer matters if you accept it or not. Members and visitors have already decided it, and we received reports to thread ban you. However, considering your other contributions, we haven't done it. But, there'll be repercussions for the havoc you wrecked for the past 3 days and for your this type of behavior on the forum in other threads. We will make that decision soon.

 

[coolwater0055]