@jerome: Thanks for creating the thread. I too wanted this discussion to come up after the series of questions about SD picture quality in the last few days. Sadly, I saw this thread just now and realized I missed the live discussion.
My personal experience, as I already stated in previous questions, SD channel quality is better on d2h HD set top box through HDMI. It might vary with other dth operators based on quality of signal if there isn't enough information for upscaling by STB. (No, HDMI cables dont have the super power to convert MP2 format to MP4)
It will be a good if people to also mention their dth operator so reach to a meaningful conclusion.
The off topic discussion on compression techniques simply reminds of a story we heard when we were Kids.
"Newton's Cat Door" which describes the foolishness of Newton who created a big opening for mamma cat and a smaller door for the kittens. (
Pet door) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Though it was a cooked up story should fit in the current scenario nicely. Apparently, DishHD is totally locked with the idea that SD channels should use MP2, HD channels should use MP4 H264 (and Ultra HD should use MP4 H265). Well who is stopping us to use MP4 H265 for SD Channels? Man, this is a digital world. Bits can be manipulated in whatever way we want as long as we have an encoder and decoder be it in software / hardware.
Probably, this video about the Google's VP9 video codec explains the concept better. This is a project which Google is working on to drastically reduce amount of space consumed by ALL resolutions of their videos on disk and thereby amount of data transferred to the user's browser.
Three things to note:
1. Using the same bitrate (no of bits used for one second of video in this case) with different codecs, quality of H265 > H264 > MP2. With each improved codec more information is being stored in less number of bits.
2. An example 100GB video in MP2 can be compressed to probably < 50GB using MP4 H264 and < 25GB using H265 keepling the video quality the same. Huge saving of space. Using MP2 for ultra HD may sound foolish but perfectly logical. SD channels in H265, well same quality but twice as many number of channels.
3. Beyond certain limit (the original video recording quality) no matter how many bits we use the quality will remain the same. Simply wastage of space. Getting the right bitrate is the hardest problem to get the lowest size with highest quality.
Our friend here knows answers to all the questions but simply doesn't realize that most of the limitations are purely practical and not technical.